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The Abbasid Caliphate's dates are given as 750–1258, but this excludes the Egyptian period which lasted until 1517. Should this be included, e.g. "Abbasid Caliphate (750-1258/1517)"? 70.51.71.46 (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This information is wrong, no one is the current caliph of Islam, this community is fraud and misleading people and using the name of Islam for their personal gain and creating propaganda.
Please remove this Attaurrehman23 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The caliphate is part of Islamic belief and according to Islam it is based on Shura (consultation) and the first 4 caliphs know as Rashidun caliphate was following the rule. The Rashidun Caliphate is also known As a holy caliphate. It shouldn't be on the basis of who are in the majority rather it's a spiritual thing it is a part of the religion and it should be according to how religion describe it. not like a normal state. It shouldn't be titled as Islamic monarchy rather it should be Consultation based Islamic theocracyTherealbey (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not the characterization found in secular reliable sources. Regardless of how it is thought about in confessional contexts, we characterize it instead based on observable reality. Remsense ‥ 论18:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what do you mean by secular sources ? It's a practice and part of religion as mentioned in Hadith of Prophet Muhammad and the Shura (consultation) is in Quran. It isn't how you think it. It's not western or specially European system. If you don't know even the name Rashidun Caliphate was never actually used by them it was Called only Al-Khilafah or in English Caliphate. And even it didn't had a flag of country. It's law and constitution everything was Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad. And it is something that belongs to Islam according to Islam it should be continued in every century but for some reason it is not in the world for last 100 years. Yes there were some claimed caliph title like Umayyad, Abbasid and the Ottomans and they ruled it as hereditary but they are not the maker of this thing or rule it is Islam whom it's belongs to. Those empires just miss used them. So I think it should be titled in short description Consultation Based Islamic Theocracy and it's first line should be changed from (initially elective later absolute) to Shura (consultation) based system. And below somewhere it should be mention that some used this title or caliphate in other political system like hereditary. Therealbey (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, the Rashidun caliphs were not a hereditary progression, but I find it impossible to argue against the empirical manifestation of heredity from the first Umayyad caliph onward. It is clearly the mechanism by which power passed from caliph to caliph for almost the entire historical period where there existed powerful states claiming the mantle of caliphate. Remsense ‥ 论19:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but as I said it's not possible Muawiyah changing islam right. For example if Christianity claims that Muhammad preached Christianity and according to you if we believe on the majority side then Christianity has more population has more than Islam's so according to your logic Muhammad preached Christianity is it correct ? You can use this argument in a political view but Caliphate isn't a political matter only rather a religious practices like thing and you can't change a religious teaching based on how it was used in history. Therealbey (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hadith of Caliphate (Sahih Bukhari 3455) this Hadith mentions about how Guiding the people by Prophet's had ended and now they will ruled by Caliphs and it shows how it's necessary when prophet says obey them in several Hadiths like sahih Muslim 1847 b and many more . And Quranic verse like 24:55 that is verse where it shows how important it is that God has promised to fulfill that thing. So there are many more Hadith and Quranic verse on caliphate and there is no doubt of it being a part of Islam. Therealbey (talk) 21:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hadith are considered primary sources. We generally require recent secondary sources subject to secular academic peer review. Remsense ‥ 论21:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are you reading what I have written previously? Sir, it's a religious matter and religion scholars in Islam the Ulama can give opinion from them like Ibn Taymiyya who said –
It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the post of the Khaleefah) is one of the greatest obligations of the Deen (Religion). In fact, there is no establishment of the Deen (Religion) except by it....this is the opinion of the salaf, such as Al-Fuḍayl ibn ‘Iyāḍ, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and othersTherealbey (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is not actually traditional. things of Islam like 5 pillars of Islam, daily 5 prayers the Scriptures Quran. 124k prophets and Sahadah the caliphate is also a religious practice not a traditional culture or something. Like for example if Canada claimed to USA and go on a dictatorial path that doesn't make USA law and The United States as dictatorial. But caliphate is something sensitive and part of religion. And it's a rule of Shari'a that all Muslims in the world agrees. So taking the side of majority saying that empires of middle east like Umayyad or Abbasid or Ottomans claimed to Caliphs and then they ruled as dictatorial system but that doesn't make the whole constitution dictatorial. Like For example North Korea is known to be run by a dictatorial regime but is constitution still remains as democratic. So in the case of Caliphate the Constitution is Quran and Hadith. So if you look All the caliphates existed there constitution was Quran and Hadiths and according Quran and Hadith caliphate should be based on Shura (consultation) and all can be caliphs not like passing from father to son. And what Umayyads, Abbasids and Ottomans done was against the constitution (Quran and Hadith) so in modern sense we can say they were unconstitutional but constitution hasn't effected by their acts so Caliphate Page should be according to constitution not by which regime done what or not. Therealbey (talk) 22:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)